They’re not fighting the alchemy. Taylor Swift appeared on boyfriend Travis Kelce’s podcast, New Heights, to talk about her new album, The Life of a Showgirl, and over the course of the episode, she also gave fans major insight into their relationship of more than two years.
This is the first time that Swift has appeared on New Heights, which Kelce hosts with his brother, Jason. But it’s not surprising that Swift and Kelce flaunted their love on the mic: The two have hardly been shy about how much they care for each other, with plenty of paparazzi photos documenting their PDA at events like the U.S. Open and the Super Bowl. Just this week, Kelce gushed over his girlfriend in an interview for GQ. Swift, meanwhile, brought Kelce into the fold on the Eras tour, shouting him out as “the guy on the Chiefs” in her song “Karma” and even performing alongside him for a special version of “I Can Do It With a Broken Heart.”
Yet the New Heights episode — the most-watched in the podcast’s history at over 10 million views on YouTube alone — gave nearly two hours of Swelce content, revealing more about their relationship than ever before. Here’s what we learned:
The friendship bracelet saga
Swift and Kelce’s romance began after the NFL player attended the Kansas City stop of the Eras tour in July 2023. Kelce was enamored with Swift following her performance and was disappointed that he couldn’t meet up with her after the show to give her a friendship bracelet he made her — something he spoke about on New Heights back in July 2023.
On her episode of New Heights, Swift teased that Kelce “threw a tantrum” — despite not even reaching out to her management about securing a meeting. “This dude didn’t get a meet and greet and he’s making it everyone’s problem, that’s what I thought at first,” Swift joked.
But after the 2023 podcast episode aired, Swift said she started hearing from mutual friends that Kelce was actually a good guy, prompting her to schedule a meetup.
“I was like, if this guy isn’t crazy — which is a big if,” she said, “this is sort of what I’ve been writing songs about wanting to happen to me since I was a teenager.”
Kelce supported Swift when she got her masters back
On New Heights, Swift spoke about her long journey to gain ownership over her masters, something that she’s wanted for her entire music career. When she received the phone call from her mother, Andrea Swift, that said she was finally able to purchase her masters, Swift went to Kelce crying. Kelce, apparently, also had an emotional reaction.
“I started crying too,” Kelce said on the podcast, to which Swift added, “You were weeping.”
“I was just so happy for you, because I’ve seen, I’ve seen how you make music. I’ve seen how you make these videos,” he explained.
Swift loves to bake for Kelce — and the whole family
Swift joked that she gets into a new baking obsession “every six months” — and that the Kelce family reaps the benefits. She sent Kelce sourdough loaves while the athlete was at training camp and also made a funfetti sourdough bread for Kelce’s brother and New Heights cohost Jason Kelce’s four daughters.
“We put sprinkles in everything when we hang out,” Swift said.
“She’s a loafer for life now,” Kelce joked.
Kelce loves otters
The couple admitted that the internet can be a tough place, given how many people want to weigh in on their lives — but it’s also a beautiful one, because “Travis shows me videos of otters on his Instagram algorithm,” Swift said.
“I want a wild otter so bad,” Kelce said.
Kelce’s heard the ‘bangers’ on The Life of a Showgirl
Unsurprisingly, Kelce has already heard The Life of a Showgirl and loves the new album, which he called a “complete 180” from a lot of the songs on her previous album The Tortured Poets Department.
“I’ve been fortunate enough to hear every single song on here, so I know they’re all 12 bangers,” he said. “It’s a lot more upbeat, and it’s a lot more like fun pop, like excitement.”
Swift and Kelce tune out the noise around their relationship
While many people have commented — and speculated — about the state of her and Kelce’s romance, Swift told Jason on the podcast that she tries to stay tuned out of the noise online.
“Anything you feed your brain, it will internalize,” Swift said. “Anything you feed the internet, it will kill. I’ve been in the music industry for 20 years — it’s pretty hard to hurt my feelings.”
Kelce admitted he was worried about some of the “wacko theories” that emerged when they first started dating and was concerned it could “screw up” his romance with Swift. “Her being so calm, cool, collected and so just real and understanding about everything that’s going on really made me grow up real fast in that, in that aspect of things,” he said.
Swift also shared that Kelce’s ability to laugh off comments online has helped her shake them off too.
“I think the fact that you genuinely find a lot of online discourse to be truly hilarious, that changes things for me,” she said. “If he’s seeing things and he thinks it’s funny and it doesn’t even affect his day at all, that’s really completely bled into the way that I metabolize these things.”
